Soooo uh...

[notintwopieces]

Looks like I've been making a complete and total ass of myself and didn't even realize it.

I wanted to just kinda say sorry to anyone I was pissing off. I wasn't ignoring people's posts and I'm sorry I made it seem like I was. As well, Jazz's whole phone-speech-rebellion thing was intended to be a spectacular failure from the beginning, he was just being too optimistic about what he had planned and my own terrible attempts at playing him completely failed at what ai was trying to do. I didn't realize how absolutely terrible my execution of what I was trying to pull off was until yesterday and today, though, and just...

Yeah. I'm sorry. I realize I pretty much fucked that whole thing right up. If everyone would prefer, I can drop the plot thing so it doesn't clutter up the posts page.

ETA: If anyone ever has a question about something I didn't do well enogh to be clear or just wants to make a suggestion or something, you can always contact me on AIM at tronzler307020 or on plurk at tronja307020.

Comments

[motheringnation]

It was a bit confusing what you were going for. As he was just ignoring even the people like Lucas who were giving him good advice. And people like Wes and Leia, who were trying to hint that there was a rebellion going on, just not on the phones.

And other then turning the entire town against him, I'm not really sure what the results were you wanted?

[notintwopieces]

It was al supposed to be this big dumb thing about him openl defying the people running Mayfield to try and encourage people, and being anonymous and not actually engaging people directly, sort've how v for vendetta is. But apperently he came off rude and condescending, and I feel like an idiot for that because that's where I really failed. The character is all smooth-talk and charisma, he wouldn't come off as condescending, so I...yeah. Apperently I'm terrible at writig smooth, charismatic dialogue.

I knew all along there would be characters who would think he was an idiot, but heMs. It the type that would sit by and watch when he's been imprisoned. After millions of years fighting, he's learned when you're captured, you blast your way free. He figures the people in charge couldn't possibly keep control if everyone banded together and kept hitting them over and over and over again. Droning is a slap on the wrist to him, so he doesn't see a point to beig afraid of theme makig you play nice for a while. And he's the type that if they killed him and them brought hom back, it'd just piss him off. Which is sort've what happened when Prowl died in the funhouse event. He got pissed and decided he wasn't interested in playing nice anymore. He just neded to try and get people to fight back wih him.

But yeah, I effed it up somewhere along he way and feel pretty dumb, so...

[motheringnation]

It's hard to write charismatic characters. I play Johan Liebert myself and it can be quite difficult at times.

The V for Vendetta style worked in that comic/movie though because the people weren't fighting back. They were afraid and needed someone to shake them out of not doing anything, to rise up. In Mayfield we have characters fighting back, just doing it secretly, people who have been through worse then this, and even people who like Mayfield better then their own world.

He came off rude and condescending because he assumes that droning and being killed is the worst things Mayfield can do, when if he had talked to people he would have been told that they can do much worse. Harley mentioned a month long punishment when I tagged his first post with her, they had an all out riot to see if the town could drone all of them. It did. And then after that, the town started killing them off one by one, not bringing them back and then convincing the people in the town that there were hidden monsters in their ranks that were killing people. Everyday people were shown their friends horribly murdered bodies on tv and then got a list of suspects of who did it. Evidence was planted to make it look like there could be monsters among them. ...and then at the end they were told that no, no monsters just the town screwing with them. They've done things like that a few times. Psychological and emotional torture is pretty normal here. And if he'd talked to people he could have heard about it.

He also pretty much says that they're allowing Mayfield to win and that none of them know what real war and suffering is like either, which no isn't going to get him any friends considering most people in the town have gone through terrible things, some of them war and rebellions. Calling people cowards and then not even replying to them isn't going to do anything. At best he'll get people hating him and thinking he's a condescending idiot that has no idea what he's talking about, also possibly a lynch mob. At worst, if he keeps it up with the never responding thing, people might start to think he's part of the town just trying to trick them into doing something stupid. Like run up and attack the milkman or something like that.

So his approach isn't going to work. Which is totally fine if you plan to play that out. Like Wighty said, our characters might hate him but that's different then us being mad at you. We all get that.

But if you were trying to get the people on his side or just not have him being seen as tactless and condescending, then you might want to rethink the way you're going about things. Or at least have him learn from this. Maybe have him talk to a few people in town that have been here longer then him. Or reply to some of the tags on your post.

[a_gentle_boy]

Don't take it too badly! I appreciate that you were trying to stir up activity, for one thing, and if it was in character for him to do this, it's not like it's out of line. The IC/OoC line doesn't extend to our feelings as players about you or anything, just that Jazz may have some people who are ticked off at him IC.

I think you should decide if you're willing to have Jazz continue along this tack and gain some not-too-positive CR and perhaps go through some character development in the process, or if you think you went OoC and you'd rather retcon some of it. I think we all appreciate that Mayfield is a difficult place to play an active character that would want to fight back; a lot of characters have gone through the 'been there, tried that' thing, and the consensus seems to be that it's just really hard to play an active hero-type. I don't think you need to apologize for your character's actions for being naturally inclined to do this, as long as you're aware that it won't make him terribly popular. You'll have to approach it carefully.

Given that the mods are more open to active character interference now, though, maybe it would be a good idea to go ahead with some rebellion. But just be aware that it would be OoC for our characters to not be cynical about the idea.

So again, don't feel bad, what you do IC doesn't really affect our opinions OoC, and if you want to go ahead with some rebellion, you might need to have Jazz attack it with a little more tact.

[notintwopieces]

It honestly is in character for him, and it's not that he's got people who think he's an idiot that got to me. It's more that I realized I came off completely wrong and the tone sounded ckndescending and rude when that's not how Jazz would speak at all. And them apperently people thought I was ignoring their posts and I wasn't. Jazz isn't responding because he wants to appear to be this anonymous, untouchable figure for as long ss the Mayfielders dn't catch him and punish him, to try and encourage others by example. "Look, they hafen't caught me yet. Come show hem you're not afraid of them with me!" so to speak. the fact that it came across as tactless and that people thought I was just ignoring them really upset me, because it wasn't what I meant at all and I was afraid people were mad at me. I have some pretty severe social anxiety when I think I've upset people, even online, so I eas...I dunno. Still am pretty upset wih myself, but trying to get over it.

I do actually have mod approval to start blowing things up here and there, so it was always intended to escalate to him blowing thigs up and getting punished for it and bouncing back afterward all angry and encouraged to blow shit up some more, and I knew going into it mnowing his plans would do fuckall good in the end. Even with the mods encouraging more player interaction for end-game, I didn't want him to be martyr hero in every character's eyes because of his rebellion, I just...didn't expect my rp to be so lackig that it seemed to upset or frustrate or irritate some people.

[chosen_to_fall]

And them apperently people thought I was ignoring their posts and I wasn't.

I have a suggestion for you right here, as a player who has a character (lol this guy) that just invites negative CR and tends to ignore people- Don't be afraid to make a quick post detailing action-wise that Jazz has ended the convo or is just straight up not replying, so people aren't waiting for a response and things can be tied up nicely.

I hope things go well for your plot in the future!

[a_gentle_boy]

If you think the tone wasn't in character, then I think you can feel welcome to retcon. Thanks for clearing up about not responding, though; you did mention it outright in your first entry, but perhaps you ought to have said it again in your second.

Let us know how you want things to progress! I think we'd be happy to work with you whatever you decide.

[balzams]

Of course there'll always be the IC/OOC split and as previously mentioned, just because characters get angry with your character doesn't mean the players will be angry with you. I think we were all just a little confused at the lag of tag backs since it wasn't entirely clear that we shouldn't have expected them. Just a quick mention in the post or something would have been best.

Even the smoothest characters can have things backfire if they don't know what they're dealing with, I wouldn't worry about it. I know there are a lot of characters who would react badly even if you did get the desired tone down. I think others have pretty much said the most important things and given the main options really. I was half-thinking about making a post in response since Latvia's been prattling on about it in my head the past few days but if you'd rather retcon the whole thing then I won't. The actual action of trying to rally people into a revolution isn't a bad one, even if characters react negatively it can still lead to new CR or plot/character development. I think some people just got a little confused about a few things, that's all. Thank-you for clearing them up.